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November 2, 2014 at 9:59 am #9823
😎 Hey Johnny,
I was thinking about Randy’s suggestion of to-do songs to make available for us to buy and that one by Ace is a Super suggestion; we all know you’re very busy too….I wonder if you know off the top of your mind how many requests you get per week from Members asking you to do songs, how many hours of work you put into your backing tracks?Along with Randy’s suggestion, I couldn’t help but think about Junior Walker and the All-Stars “What Does It Take (To Win Your Love) I have a vague memory of seeing a video on youtube of you and your band actually playing this song?
November 2, 2014 at 10:32 am #12915Yes I have included What Does it Take in my sets for several years. It’s a great tune and of course has Jr Walker’s famous sax lines all over it. It is one that I have thought about making into a backing track. For me to make one it can take several days to a week when I have the time for it. To write out the music, and then record all the instrument tracks form scratch, mix it for the backing track, record my version over it so I can make the video, create the pages and upload everything onto the site and make it download-able, then hook it all up with Paypal. It’s quite a process.
November 2, 2014 at 11:33 am #12916I absolutely love that tune…I look at it as a Mega Tune for the Saxophone 🙂 When I saw you playing it on youtube–this was some months ago, can’t even remember which video it was or who posted it–your sound, tone, embellishments, everything about your playing sounded almost like an exact carbon copy of the video I shared here. Another song that reminds me of how you play the Sax is “Walking with Mr.Lee” by Lee Allen (now that would be an awesome release to make available) seems like these guys had a big influence in your Sax playing? I’ve listen very, very carefully to the things that all those Great sax players do in the CD collection of “The Big Horn” that I got a couple months back and it’s amazing to see how much we can learn just by listening very carefully to all those guys! I’ll collect the rest and your CDs when I get back home…so, so looking up to being back home sometime in December 🙂
http://youtu.be/_AoAzhCKGXUNovember 2, 2014 at 12:45 pm #12917yes, I spent time copying those guys. That’s how one learns! We can’t just create something from nothing. I now have my own licks and tricks but there was a copying period first.
I have the Big Horn too. You can find lots of good stuff to start learning about blues and rock and roll solos. They are all basic 12 bars and usually in a good sax key. I included one of those common and popular riffs in the Killer Blues course, the one based on the 1, 3, 5 which goes up then down (maybe up to the 7th and 8th as well… this is a common base line which we can all use for solo ideas and playing background parts in a group.November 2, 2014 at 2:18 pm #12918I was just thinking a couple of days ago exactly what you talked about here on your killer blues ebook about this particular pattern of going up and down. Killer Blues ebook and regular Saxophone exercises is the bulk of my practices right now(alto only though until I get back home) because, as mentioned before for 2015, I just don’t want to be Memorizing songs all the time; that makes me feel limited. It was actually perfect timing because being around my nephews and his band here with 2 guitar players, a drummer, and keyboard player has been a great learning curve for me in learning more about chords and chord progression. It just blows my mind just how many chords there are in the world of music! I had no idea there were so many chords! Their keyboard player has been really good about showing me visually how chords work; it’s really helped me to understand them better because he says I can see what’s happening and not just hear what’s happening–he’s not saying that hearing them isn’t important though.
Their keyboard player has told me, as far as the Sax is concerned, the great thing is that while there’s so many chords in the world of music that I shouldn’t concern myself with them too much right now. I showed him Killer Blues and he said you provided the “bread and butter” for Improvisation on the Sax. I think you mentioned that, after so many years of playing the Sax and people wanting to learn to play like you (I’m one of them LOL) what you do in your own Improvisation all pretty much boils down to what’s in this ebook? It’s all broken down in such a simplified and progressive way! What I mean is, I guess someone may think that, in order to get to that pro level of Improvising in blues and rock that they want to get to that if it’s not “complicated” then it’s no good? In really focusing on Improvisation right now and learning from you about it(that’s my weak link in playing right now….I have no problem in memorizing songs), it seems like nothing could be further from the truth….the simpler then the better?November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm #12919Don’t let people tell you that because you’re playing sax to not bother with chords. We need to understand chords as much as a guitar or piano player otherwise we’ll be in the dark much of the time. I stress to learn scales and chords, it’s important and you’ll need them more and more especially if you want to solo over a song and not sound like you don’t know what you’re doing….cause that’s exactly what will happen.
It’s true if you’re just reading or playing the melody you can get away with not knowing the chords but this is limiting.November 3, 2014 at 12:20 am #12926Hey Johnny, this was the stuff a few of us talked about recently with regards the next line of courses we would love to buy from you. Given your explanation of whats involved in putting up a song with backing track you would be excused for not devoting too much of your valuable time on them given the return. Personally, I would be greatful to get your guidance on topics like you discussed above as this will certainly advance our learning into a whole new world of playing. On another topic, I respect the masters of the past always and enjoy listening to the pure sounds of yesteryear but one Aussie band that I grew up with, The Revelators, who then morfed into Joe Camilleri and The Black Sorrows did a version of What Does it Take that has a few more sax lines in it. It’s a modern version of a classic but I enjoy it because I am more familiar with it. Worth a listen…
November 3, 2014 at 5:55 am #12928ya cool version. the sax player just plays Jr Walker’s licks almost the same with the odd slight variation at the end of a few of them but he keeps the main riff identical. They even do it in the same key.
As I think about this tune, the chords, the sax riffs etc I think it is a great one to analyze and dissect to show you guys some important lessons which will help understand the theory regarding the chords, scales and so then how it all relates to what the sax lines are and what we can do to easily copy it and even create our own solo lines that fit properly into it.
It is on my list to do a backing track for. It’s a great tune everybody knows cause it was a huge Motown hit when it came out and so many people have covered it and it’s full of sax riffs. Ya so that’s my thought; a complete lesson on this tune showing you how I figure out the key, the chords involved and so then how easy it can be once we know all this to pick apart the solos.
Does that sound good?November 3, 2014 at 7:30 am #12929AnonymousThat sounds great!
I was playing ‘Mr Pc’ to my Sax teacher, got halfway down the sheet and stopped playing!
The bottom half of the sheet just had chord names, no notes..
couldn’t play . My teacher said the chords were there for players to improvise on!
Jazz sheets are littered with chords for improvisation.Another crazy thing i noticed is composers can suddenly change keys in a piece of music without telling you, the only way tell is recognizing the new chords that don’t belong to the key – so yes . no chords knowledge – you wont be going very far!
November 3, 2014 at 7:48 am #12930yes for sure. Interestingly, 2 of the 3 Christmas songs I’m working on will have key changes in them. This is called modulation – it modulates (usually up) to a new key. It lets you know with a new key signature as it happens. If you get on to these new Christmas songs you will see a good example of this in action. It works great in music because it provides a real “lift” in a song.
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