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February 27, 2016 at 10:37 am #33472
Hello Gang,
I’ve only played the alto but always wanted to get a tenor reed wet. A friend of mine offered me to try his two tenors to see which one I liked for purchase if I wanted. The one tenor is a Selmer Bundy II for which I researched and found it is classified as a student horn that’s built really well with good tone. The other tenor is a Holton 241 model. I researched that as well but there isn’t a whole lot of info on them. I did find that it was made in 1946 according to it’s S/N, thus a vintage sax. In those early years they were all classified as Professional saxes. I’ve read that they also were very well built and have a darker tone. They are one of the earliest sax companies but just couldn’t compete in sales with Selmer, Conn, etc. I’m not sure how this sax stacks up against the other vintage saxes from that era.I will probably end up getting one of them just to get use to the tenor and then later maybe upgrade if need be. Of course, ultimately it would be up to me which I like better for tone and so forth. So if anyone has any experience with either of these saxes and what you think of it, would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
KenFebruary 27, 2016 at 11:23 am #33479I’d check ebay, I bought a YTS23 and it’s great…. bundys are beginner horns and old ones usually have problems and slower actions
February 27, 2016 at 3:42 pm #33491if just starting out, renting for $30/mo at local music store is a good idea, to see if you like it
February 27, 2016 at 8:39 pm #33496Thanks for the reply. I’ve had my alto since the 60’s and recently just got back to playing it. Always wanted to play the tenor and now’s my chance to do so. Yeah that’s an idea to rent but the stores nearby carry mostly Yamaha with not much of a selection. Nice horns but I like a darker sound. Still would like to hear if anyone has any experienced with these saxes and what they thought of them.
KenFebruary 27, 2016 at 11:59 pm #33497Ken you’re in a great position, having 2 saxes to pick from at the same place. get a good reed and mouthpiece and play them side by side and see which one feels and sounds best for you. You can’t rely on peoples advice for this type of thing because it will ultimately be your personal preference.
I’m familiar with the Bundy and as a Selmer I know they’re good horns but not the Holton so can’t give my opinion on them as far as quality etc but like I said, it will be your personal opinion that matters here. If you saw them on eBay and were asking others I would understand, but since you have access to play them both side by side just spend some time with them and you’ll know because one of them will be a little more special, kinda like picking a puppy.
Also, later you can greatly improve your tone with reeds and especially a premium mouthpiece, which can do even more for your sound than the sax itself.February 28, 2016 at 7:37 am #33500Hi Ken,
I have a Selmer Tenor Bundy myself and I really love it. I bought 2 Trevor James Saxophones a year ago but I kept my Selmer Bundy because I love it too much 🙂 Like Johnny says we gotta play it for ourselves. Some folks will call the Bundy a “Student” model of Saxophone and feel the need to go for a Sax that may cost thousands of dollars more, thinking that they’ll sound better on the more expensive Saxophone. Then they get all disappointed when they realize their core sound was pretty much the same that it was on the “Student” model of Sax 🙂 Like Johnny is saying above, a high-quality MP along with a good tone is what makes you sound good. Here’s a couple of older videos I did on my Selmer Bundy; just a couple of simple, raw recordings (the playing isn’t perfect, coming off the beat here-and-there). There’s no reverb or anything like that. Try both of those Saxophones out and see how it goes for you, but I can tell you personally with the Selmer Bundy in good condition and a good MP, you can’t go wrong with it. After that, it’s up to you as the player behind the Sax/MP set up to get that sound to come out.
February 28, 2016 at 8:48 am #33503Anonymouslike michael says when you start out it won’t make any difference which sax you play on. When you get a few years down the line and get more experienced in playing thats when you will dump the student sax for a proper sax and thats only when you will notice the huge difference between a pro sax and a student sax.
February 28, 2016 at 9:08 am #33504true sxpoet, first couple years any decent horn is fine… I started on bundy, then conn rentals for 2+ yrs before moving up
February 28, 2016 at 11:12 am #33505Like that growl. Sounding good Michael
February 28, 2016 at 1:24 pm #33517@ Ken: What Sxpoet is saying is exactly correct and that’s what we’re getting at here. I don’t know about the other Sax you were looking at, but I posted those old videos above (they were done back in the fall of 2014 if I remember right) simply because you mentioned a Selmer Bundy you we’re looking at and those 2 videos were done on a Selmer Bundy. But as Johnny says, the best thing to do is to play it for yourself. If you’ve never played a Tenor before, it will take some time to notice subtle differences between 2 horns, but to start off pick the one that you’re most comfortable with and work on your tone/technique. Then, like Sxpoet is saying, when you get some experience under your belt, that’s when upgrading to a pro-model Sax is good thing. As my sax Instructor would say, there’s the right and wrong reasons for changing MPs, buying a pro-model Sax, etc.. One of the wrong reasons, as he would say, would be to think that it’s the “ticket” to sounding good and it’s precisely the opposite. As he would say, take your $ and put it on a nice, solid Sax like the one your looking at, get a decent MP and a qualified Sax Instructor…make sure he’s a qualified instructor. Your $ is going to be much more well-spent on lessons with a qualified instructor v.s. a pro-model Sax.
@ William: LOL That’s an old video. Those are 2 songs I will re-do after I get my interface/mic next month and then afterwards I’ll do them again to upload here to Johnny’s site and we can all compare the videos… between now this year and the fall of 2014 that’s about 18-19 months time difference so it will be a fair comparison. -
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